The existence of that single offering is why I don’t own a 10mm. I’ve owned several 1911’s over the years but I alway end up selling or trading them. I’m glad you were able to pull yourself away from the mirror. I’ll keep laughing at you. Product Description ; … Customize This: * * * * I also have the HK45 V1 and I agree with you on the jumpy-ness. You sold yours because you needed money or, being a real steel gun you are unable to handle it. While I wouldn’t recommend it to a first time shooter or as an only gun due to recoil and 10mm Auto ammunition prices and availability, I do think it would be a great choice for somebody looking to add a 10mm Auto pistol to a collection or for somebody looking to do some handgun hunting. . Overall Length: 8.6″ Fun gun with full power ammo. Don’t worry, Uncle Zo only writes about, and promotes, products or services that he’s personally purchased, used, and believes in. Yea, if you shoot a griz hereabouts there had better be video footage of it threatening you and a shredded (human) arm or leg for evidence…. The SIG X-Ray day/night sights are good in any light conditions. ReddIt. tanfoglio, but i have enought “character” in my italian bikes. The gun is heavy enough as it is. You are delusional. Especially when they so desperately want to be right. Yeah I’m sure I’m whoring for Glock. The classic P220 LEGION is now available in 10mm Single Action Only (SAO) with an external safety. My 10mm XDM holds 15 rounds. i have in .44mag a semiauto pistol, an sa revolver and a lever carbine. Very rarely is there someone that likes the 10mm and doesn’t own one eventually or someone that doesn’t like it and owns one. I also carried a Sig P220 for 13 years, over 15,000 rds down the barrel. Absolutely nothing! That includes the plastic sights on Glocks that I hate. A bear isn’t worth my life or the hassle that comes after having to shoot it. If a 10mm 1911 is what you are after you could do worse than a Dan Wesson. From what I remember that wasn’t done here until you showed up. Frankly, I’m sticking to my 9mm P229 for this purpose. That is the unfortunate part about the 10mm today. After that who knows. Your email address will not be published. Recoil wasn’t brutal, but you could definitely tell that you weren’t shooting .45 ACP. I has me a couple 44 mags but I likes me some 10mm too. No, not really. So now, after 20 years of scraping barnacles are a “gun expert” because YOU own ONE EFFING GLOCK. Great choice. despite all the negative comment that some have on this gun i think it’s great An old Game Warden once told me to remember DFWTB…Don’t F*** With The Bears…good advice (he carried an -06 or 870 with heavy, magnum slugs in the backcountry…no spray). I enjoy firing that gun quite a bit and it’s always a thrill.”, (Clicks the link) to : https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-329pd. On the other hand with the right bullet in an accurate rifle the Creedmoor could possibly save your ass if that was all you had. “Buffalo Bore’s and Underwood’s advertised muzzle energy for hard cast loads: that might be true, but all they’d have to do is pick one up to figure it out. .45 ACP +P – 484 ft lb Mine hasn’t even seen a box of factory yet. Reliability: * * * * * Action: DA/SA with decocker That is I can’t seem to hold on to a 1911. Paul Harrell did a video on 10mm vs .40 S&W some time back. I’m not such a snot that I can’t see there are good guns from more than just one manufacturer. Glock v Sig///now I wonder which gun would win that competetion???? The first three models will all feature 5” barrels and steel frames with two being single action only, and one traditional double action/single action. Frankly, he is an amateur at best. I load my 10mm ammo with a stout charge of Longshot or BlueDot powder under a 180gr or 200gr bullet. I have shot deer and wild hogs. It provides an extra-strength deterrent to the countless idiots out there that create a need for us to apply for concealed carry permits. However if it was me or the bear the bear would die and I would walk away and leave it for the scavengers. I had to learn the hard way after my first cow. I’ve met others that had Napoleon syndrome too though. This, of course, is due to the fact that the 10mm is a high energy cartridge, so the heavier springs actually serve to reduce recoil and muzzle flip. Something in between 44 spl and full power 44 mag for edc. The 10mm Legion P220 has a 5-inch barrel compared to the .45 model’s 4.4″ barrel and has a proprietary SIG rail for accessories. If factory ammo is the only option look no further than Underwood or Buffalo Bore for full power 10mm. Yep and many other guns to keep that one Glock company. 189 Posts . Shooters with weaker grip strength will have a hard time. This P220 is akin to most other SIGs in that it is a hammer-fired DA/SA semi automatic pistol and feeds from eight-round single stack magazines. You saddle up that horse there high speed, not me. Whether you need a P220 10mm Legion for home defense, extra magazines for peace of mind, or the Elite Performance ammo to ensure your mags are loaded with the best, you’ll find it all for an affordable … “There are many loads in .45 ACP that will do just fine for most uses outdoors. There is about a $400 difference between the P220 Hunter and the P220 Legion both offering the G10 grips. It does show you are dedicated to your own ignorance though. I came up with my load for the S&W 1006 I had using Hornady data and sneaking up on max load for that gun. My RIA 1911 10mm does better for a carry weapon. Got a second hand Sig Legion 10mm for a great deal with five total mags and 300 rounds of ammunition. I’ve heard a lot of older and or weaker folks seem to like it. I’m a fan of wheelguns but the capacity is a big issue, particularly if you are worried about large animals (bears) that have large bodies and are a lot harder to stop with pistol rounds than a human. But, I really like the Legion series. When it comes right down to it, I just don’t see that much of a point to it. This is the reason for the resurgence of interest in the 10mm, primarily among handgun hunters who prefer to use a semi-automatic model rather than a revolver. I have S&W M&P’s (6 for an exact number) that have way more rounds down the pipe than that that have never had a malfunction. But to be fair, the P220 was not my first choice for a 10mm Auto hand cannon. Now go back to mommy’s couch. Accurate too and I don’t mind the recoil. I really enjoyed my time with it. And no, your +P+++++++++ 45ACP load isn’t as good as 220gr hard cast, no matter how much you think it is. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the new Glock 20SF doesn’t perform flawlessly as those I’ve owned in the past once I decide to go shoot it. Maybe the Glock 29SF or the other barrel length model 610. You are correct about the Physics, however, careful reloading allows me to tailor the pressures and resultant recoil impulse (somewhat) to where I don’t find it excessive when shooting. You said, I am just more familiar with the double action / single action (DA/SA) operation found on other Sigs that I own (the P226 and P229). I simply don’t see a need for it when there are other options out there that do what it does better. I don’t usually like the circus but you’re a special Napoleon clown that I’m will laugh at. So rest assured, you’re not in that boat alone. Comparing apples to apples 460 Rowland from Underwood does produce 850 to just over 1000 ft lbs of energy. P220 SAO Single Action Only - No decocker/has safety. Got anymore childish banter you want to throw around? I’ll take the Glock 10 MM Long Slide any day.. I would personally like a lite factory 44 mag. If you are young buy the 10mm you will get a thrill out of the recoil and muzzle blast and you will impress your friends at the shooting range. I will admit I am a bit of a Sig Sauer fan boy. That whole paragraph was about as helpful as Janet Reno. Finished in a proprietary Legion gray coating and featuring custom G-10 grips with a LEGION medallion, the P220 LEGION is improved in nearly every way. From what I can find, most 10mm factory ammo is underloaded to 40 S&W spec, and it seems the info I can find that full power 10 mil is comparable to an “auto magnum” is spotty at best. What can’t the Creedmoor kill? I'm leaving My Lipsey All Stainless Steel Model STOCK. I carry my 2 3/4″ model 69 Combat Magnum loaded with 44 spl from time to time. If he doesn’t like Sig’s what the hell is he writing an article about Sigs for? Notice I said owned. An AIRWEIGHT .44 Magnum? I’m also not considering this gun for every day carry at this time for all the same reasons I hesitate to consider it for home defense. weight means shooting the gun isn’t a terrible experience. Today on TGIOF we are going to review the: SIG SAUER P220 Legion Full-Size 10mm Pistol One doesn’t feel to bad but the other feels like Mike Tyson has been throwing right hooks into your hand. If you want the better 10mm, get the Springfield. The P220 LEGION is an enhanced version of the gun that started it all for modern day SIG. However, the Sig Sauer P220 benefited from another 65 years of pistol evolution and got almost everything right from the start. I could go on but I’m sure you understand. Sign up for price alert. Quite a bit of Power Pistol in the last couple of years for the .460 Rowland. Sig Sauer 10mm pistols hold 8-rounds and come in several variations, including Full Stainless, Camo, FDE, and Tactical models. But the EAA Witness Match would is a great handgun hunting pistol.. It is interesting the out of everyone here that commented you’re the only one with your opinion. If true 10mm ammo is to be had you have to load it yourself. probably not! So why all this discussion about the 10mm cartridge? SIG SAUER P220 LEGION 10mm SAO is a full-size, hammer fired pistol, featuring a Legion Gray stainless steel slide and frame, with X-RAY3 Day/Night Sights. 14,727 Posts #3 • Mar 21, 2019. You Glock TactiTurds are the worst for whoring any product. (Though, oddly enough, 9mm, 10mm, .38 Super and .22LR are other available calibers for both pistols). FN’s same thing. Sonny Crockett’s Bren Ten was actually converted to .45 ACP. IF I was gonna go to the Sig 10mm for hunting, I’d definitely choose the “Hunter” SAO version over the DA/SA version. Like many cartridges, the 10mm was introduced to supplant something that was already established. SPECIFICATIONS: SIG SAUER P220 Legion 10mm, Caliber: 10mm Auto Underwood’s offering for .45 Super has almost the same energy as 10mm, but with a higher TKO, making it as good or better for bear defense, where you want a slow, heavy bullet, not a fast, light bullet. “…many people don’t know how to shoot revolvers…” Kinda’ like me writing an article Gastons Junk Gun, or your mother. I really wanted a S&W 610. No need to trade in your .45 for a 10mm, when all you need is a change of springs to shoot .45 Super. I think that so far this Fall in Montana that it’s bears – 5…hunters – 0. Just one more gun to complete … This is most certainly very difficult for a POG to understand but there are a lot of folks that can’t stand Glocks and dislike Glock owners even more. It’s an ok gun, fairly easy to handle but suffers from Glock’s basic genetics: feels like holding a 2×4 and grip angle different from Browning types. It holds 15 rounds, is stainless steel, and has a three pound trigger..I also have an Trijicon MRO Green Dot sight on it. Must not be a very good earner considering I said I’ve owned Sig guns and it’s not cared that I have. I can tell you that it is nothing but a pleasure to shoot. Now go soak your little brain in some gun lube and tell the world that you proudly own perfection. But despite the 10mm initial popularity when it was introduced, the .45 ACP hasn’t gone anywhere. The Glock is now up for sale at my local gun club. The going rate online is just $1,199, though. “don’t know how to shoot revolvers” WTH. € 110.00. The 10mm on the other hand gets a nice stiff charge of BlueDot or IMR 800X, trying to drive a 180 gr or 200 gr bullet as fast as a 10mm possibly can. The the custom g10 grip scales are exceedingly comfortable. This is one solid gun. I’m sure I could group better from a bench. Facebook. And yes for the longest time thanks to reasons already stated the 10mm has had a true cult like following. We took the P320 XFIVE Legion and the P220 Legion 10mm out of the box, didn’t clean a thing on them. When I first got the 10mm fever, I wanted a Colt Delta Elite and looked for one for about a year. probably not .45 or .460rowland. Overall, my first impressions of the P220 Legion in 10mm Auto are very positive. Certain commercial 10mm Auto loads produce levels of energy that approach those of the .41 Magnum revolver cartridge. Soy boi. I have an IWB holster for it and it carrys comfortably. Almost elk season up here…looking for a slow, tender cow for the freezer. That heavier bullet going as fast is going to produce more recoil. Sign up to get notified when this product is back in stock. Over half of the content was you winging about how .460 Rowland is “sooo” much better than 10mm. Air Force saxophone player? Third if working the slide on a semiautomatic is too much, S&W has come out with just the handgun. A meat processor I know uses a 22, and the animal goes dark instantly. You most definitely can’t understand that I’m sure. My recently crushed knuckles *twinged* when I saw that! TKO is weight x bullet diameter x velocity / 7000, They’re both the same price at MidwayUSA. Trigger on this pistol is awesome! Having said all of that I’d say the 10mm’s popularity is growing and the market is ripe with new guns to prove it. Yes, it’s heavy, but fun and accurate to shoot. I have Cassuls and a Linebaugh for that. Required fields are marked *. I got the 40 S&Weak barrel too. i may add a few more calibers. The classic P220 LEGION is now available in 10mm Single Action Only (SAO) with an external safety. Are you implying that Janet Reno isn’t helpful!? I hate to say it because I would hate to do it even more. I don't know if it's as sweet as the P226 legion because I have not shot it. Where on the head are you shooting? It’s a P220. Well, it pretty much goes hand-in-hand with doing a review on a 10mm gun. so i’ve been biding some time. There are many loads in .45 ACP that will do just fine for most uses outdoors. “The minor resurgence of the 10mm today is largely based on the fact that many people don’t know how to shoot revolvers and opt for a platform they’re more familiar with.”. - Uncle Zo, First Impressions: Heckler & Koch VP9 with Trijicon RMR, Hornady Precision Hunter 143 Grain 6.5mm Creedmoor ELD-X, Remington Core-Lokt 140 Grain 6.5mm Creedmoor, Unsuccessfully Installing a RMR on an Optics Ready VP9, Federal Non-Typical 140 Grain 6.5mm Creedmoor, Sellier & Bellot 140 Grain 6.5mm Creedmoor Soft Point, .300 Winchester Magnum for Long Distance Shooting, First Impressions: AR500 Armor Testudo Gen 2. odd nonsense, followed by an abrupt finish just when i thought the review was getting started. I now have a Glock 20SF in hand after waiting for it to be shipped. 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